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Let’s
clear the air once and for all.
Hear
what Pastor C. Richard Jordan has to say about Christ giving up all His
deity attributes.
Hear
Terence D. McLean answer that Christ did not surrender all His deity in
the gospels and hear the answer to such verses as Mark 13:32.
Hear
Pastor C. Richard Jordan teach what he believes about racial prophecy.
Hear
Terence D. McLean refute what he believes to be ignorant racist dogma.
Anytime, Anywhere
We
propose an all day meeting, with enough notice that everyone who wants
to can attend. We willpay for the expenses of the meeting at a site
Pastor Jordan is welcome to select (within reason), and at a time
mutually agreeable. Our only stipulations are that nothing be done in
secret, so secret meetings behind closed doors (as Alex Kurz suggested),
but out in the open with cameras and tape recorders running.
1. Pastor C. Richard Jordan,
Grace School of the Bible, Shorewood Bible Church in Chicago,
has taught that "Jesus Christ, voluntarily, of His own free
will, laid aside the free and independent exercise of all of His
attributes as God" and that "He’s (Christ’s) living in total
dependence even today, even now, in what God the Father
communicated to Him." Terence D. McLean believes what Pastor
Jordan has taught us is dangerous heresy, liberal Kenotic
theology that cannot be taught from the King James text.
2. Pastor Jordan has taught
us that what Noah said to his three sons is a "racial prophecy"
still in operation even now, thereby placing limits on blacks,
whites and yellow to this very day. Pastor McLean believes that
what Pastor Jordan teaches in his Grace School of the Bible is
the same shameful racist dogma taught by the KKK, Aryan Nation,
and others laboring in ignorant traditions, and has not place in
grace teaching.
3. Pastor Jordan has taught
us that I Timothy 3:16 is about us as members of the body of
Christ rather than about Christ Himself. McLean believes that
Pastor Jordan continues to denigrate Christ and to elevate
humanity, again as the expense of the King James text.
4. We propose spending three
hours on the first topic, two hours on the second and one hour
on the third, with a final hour for questions from the audience.
Further, we will provide audio tapes and transcripts of Pastor Jordan’s
heretical message entitled "When Did Christ Learn The Mystery?" Finally,
we will also provide the audio tapes of the Grace School of the Bible
classes taught by Pastor Jordan in which Jordan teaches racism and bible
doctrine.
Do not
allow Pastor Jordan to hide behind a King James Bible which he clearly
does not believe. Do not allow Pastor Jordan to get away with
obfuscating his liberal agenda. Do not allow Pastor Jordan to get away
with introducing heresy into the grace movement.
Let’s
get this out in the open once and for all so that Pastor Jordan can get
back to his shopping at the mall. Let’s get this settled so the grace
movement can discard Pastor Jordan into the scrap heap of liberal heresy
and return to fidelity to the King James Bible.
Have
Pastor Jordan give us a call at 1-937-374-1769. We have called him
several times and he never returns our calls.
Have
Pastor Jordan drop me a note at Box 87, Alpha Oh, 45301. We sent four
letters to him which he failed to answer.
Thank
you.
Romans
16:17-18 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions
and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid
them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their
own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the
simple.
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hear it for yourself!
When Did Christ Learn
the Mystery? by PASTOR
C. RICHARD JORDAN
Don't blindly follow what people have told you: study for
yourself.
Here is the hurtful heresy introduced into the grace movement
by Pastor C. Richard Jordan of the Shorewood Bible Church
and the Grace School of the Bible.
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Did Jesus
really have none of the
attributes of God in the gospels?
Did Christ not know who he was
until he was 30 years old?
Does Christ not know all things, even now?
Is Jesus Christ inferior, a lesser God, subservient forever?
Were Jesus miracles not of His own doing?
If Christ is not fully God and fully man,
how can he die for us?
did Christ lay aside the free and independent exercise of all
His attributes as deity?
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The Prince And The Pauper
and the Deity
of the Lord Jesus Christ
BY TERENCE D MCLEAN
It was in 1881 that Mark
Twain wrote the classic story of The Prince
And The Pauper; and it was in 1881 that
Westcott and Hort published the corrupt
English Revised Version of the Bible.
In Twain’s story, an unwanted and
impoverished child, the Pauper of the story,
trades places with the soon-to-be king, the
Prince of the story.
In the Westcott-Hort
translation, He who thought it not robbery
to be equal with God in the King James
Bible, forsakes His own deity by “emptying”
Himself.”
The King James Bible does not teach an
“emptied out” Christ, but rather that our
Lord took the position of a pauper, similar
to the Prince in Twain’s tale.
While new translations based
upon the Westcott-Hort 1881 revision
undermine the deity of Christ in Philippians
2:6-8 as you see here in the New American
Standard:
“Who, although He existed in the form of
God, did not regard equality with God a
thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself,
talking the form of a bond-servant, and
being made in the likeness of men.”...you
cannot teach a lesser or “emptied out” Jesus
from your King James Bible:
“But made himself of no
reputation, and took upon him the form of a
servant, and was made in the likeness of
men: And being found in fashion as a man, he
humbled himself, and became obedient unto
death, even the death of the cross.”
Twain’s Prince humbled himself to be a
pauper; and, in so doing, the Prince learned
of the horrible conditions of the poor. At
the same time, the Pauper fared sumptuously,
having taken the position of the Prince.
As you read Mark Twain’s
endearing story, part of the charm is that
you never forget that the Pauper has taken
the position of the Prince, but that the
Pauper is not the Prince. Likewise, you read
of the Prince, humbled, having taken the
position of the Pauper; yet you know that he
is the Prince and can exercise his position
as Prince whenever he would so choose.
The teaching that Christ
“emptied himself” and “laid aside the free
and independent exercise of all of His
attributes as God” is known as Kenotic
Theology: liberal at best, and heretical at
worst.
When a leading Mid-Acts
Bible teacher puts words in our Lord’s mouth
(thus violating the express prohibition
about adding to God’s word) and (mis)quotes
our Lord as saying “I won’t use my power, my
ability as God,” we have a serious
situation.
Blasphemy? Perhaps. Bad teaching?
Unquestionably. A wrong direction for the
grace movement? Most certainly.
Shortly before America’s
story-teller wrote The Prince And The
Pauper, Gottfried Thomasious (1802-1875), a
German rationalist and Lutheran Theologian,
was teaching the error of an “emptied out”
Jesus. The Westcott-Hort translation would
be in agreement with this liberal error of
an “emptied out” Christ, wrongly translating
the Greek word “kenosis” as “emptied” in
opposition to the King James’ correct
translation, which is that Christ “humbled”
himself.
Were Twain’s Prince to
have amnesia, not knowing that he was the
Prince, and were he to live out his life as
the Pauper, you would have something
equivalent to what the grace movement is
being asked (by it’s leadership) to believe
about the Lord Jesus Christ. Then, after the
Prince dies, never having his memory
restored, his amnesia continues even into
the afterlife, requiring input from Mark
Twain.
Similarly, some notable
Mid-Acts grace teachers would have you
believe that Christ, to use their words,
“had a time of limited understanding and
limited knowledge.” These leaders of the
Mid-Acts grace movement would have you
believe that Jesus Christ lacks omniscience
to this very day and still depends upon
updates from the Father.
Obviously, it would be in
the Pauper’s best interest to keep the
Prince ignorant of who he really was. In
like manner, it is not surprising to find
liberal Bible expositors who would exalt
themselves at the expense of their Saviour;
but it is very sad to find such selfish
arrogance in the grace camp.
We are now seeing grace
believers scurrying about, searching out the
verses about Jesus Christ which the cults
use to undermine His deity, in an attempt to
rob Him of the attributes of God. Not
surprisingly, those same grace believers put
themselves into 1 Tim. 3:16 in the place of
Christ: “And without controversy great is
the mystery of godliness: God was manifest
in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen
of angels, preached unto the Gentiles,
believed on in the world, received up into
glory.” It is common that those who
denigrate Christ, exalt themselves. (Romans
1:25 “Who changed the truth of God into a
lie, and worshipped and served the creature
more than the Creator, who is blessed for
ever.”)
Well, what of those
verses dredged up by Mid-Acts grace
believers (as well as Jehovah Witnesses,
Unitarians, Liberals and suchlike) to attack
the deity of Jesus Christ? If there were not
verses that could be twisted to teach Christ
as a lesser god (or not God at all) we would
not have the problems with cults that we do.
For grace believers to be using those same
verses in the same manner as the cults, to
lessen the person of our Saviour Jesus
Christ, used to be unthinkable but is now
commonplace.
Are we willing to say
Christ has none of the attributes of God
because He asks questions? (Matthew 20:21
And he said unto her, What wilt thou? Mark
10:51 What wilt thou that I should do unto
thee? Luke 8:45 Who touched me?)
Are we willing to say Christ has none of the
attributes of God because he takes on human
attributes? (Matthew 13:55 Is not this the
carpenter's son? Mark 6:38 How many loaves
have ye? go and see. Luke 7:34 The Son of
man is come eating and drinking;)
When some leading
Mid-Acts grace teachers put forth that “He
(Christ) made a choice, to lay aside the
independent exercise of all of His deity
attributes”, do we search the scriptures to
see if that is true, or, do we say “Amen”
because to question what some people teach
is not allowed and will result in being
shunned and smeared by the Grace Gestapo?
Imagine that a leader in the supposed King
James-believing grace movement would have
the Lord Jesus say things that Christ never
said, and then that same teacher would base
his subsequent wrong teachings on statements
blasphemously jammed into our Lord’s mouth.
What then?
Here are the exact words
that a leading Mid-Acts grace teacher
attributes to Jesus Christ: “And He said, ‘I
wont use my power, my ability as God.’” And
so, wrong teachings about the deity of
Christ based upon lies about what Christ
said, and accepting those lies has becoming
a test of fellowship. That is more than sad:
that is dangerous.
Of course, Christ never
said any such thing. No real King James
believer would teach by treating the Lord as
a ventriloquist’s dummy, putting words in
His mouth. But there are King James
pretenders who think nothing of it. These
words are blasphemously put into the mouth
of the Lord by certain Mid-Acts teachers who
pretend to be King James believers,
desperate to teach the “emptied out” Jesus
of Westcott-Hort, desperate to scratch
itching ears, desperate to show the
Athenians some new thing.
Because the “emptied out”
Jesus, who did not even know He was the Son
of God until age 30 when the Father told
Him, has been taught openly and exported
around our movement, open rebuttal should be
expected, as Romans 16:17 demands. (Now I
beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause
divisions and offences contrary to the
doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid
them.)
Meanwhile, the personal
attacks and cover-up that have followed are
not pretty.
“Jesus Is Jehovah”
teaching tapes are offered as a smoke
screen; but the question was never “Is Jesus
Jehovah?” but rather “When did Christ learn
about the mystery?” Paul provides the answer
by describing Christ as (Col. 2:9) ...”all
the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” And the
Godhead that includes Christ put the mystery
in place before the foundation of the world,
as any Mid-Acts dispensationalist knows.
Because of the coverup,
the question becomes a bit more complicated
as now we must see past the smoke and
mirrors. We must work our way past the
circled wagons, and see the simple truth for
what it is.
Instead of Grace Believers rallying around 2
Tim. 2:15 (Study to shew thyself approved
unto God, a workman that needeth not to be
ashamed, rightly dividing the word of
truth.), now the test of fellowship is Mark
13:32 (But of that day and that hour knoweth
no man, no, not the angels which are in
heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.)
Obviously, in Mark 13:32
Jesus is speaking as a man, or so the verse
says. Jesus is speaking as the Son, or so
the verse says. Jesus is speaking as the
Pauper, not as the Prince; but unlike
Twain’s fictional characters, Jesus is both
Prince and Pauper simultaneously.
This understanding of the
verse is made clear two verses later in Mark
13:34: “For the Son of man is as a man
taking a far journey, who left his house,
and gave authority to his servants, and to
every man his work, and commanded the porter
to watch.” (By the way, has anyone
noticed Mark 13:32 has nothing to do with
when Christ learned the revelation of the
mystery? Trotting out this verse to defend a
message about Christ not knowing the
revelation of the mystery, then, must be
seen for what it is: a frontal attack on the
deity of the Lord Jesus Christ).
In this particular
context. At other times we see His
attributes as God clearly portrayed as in
the ten examples which follow:
1. There is only one God: Isaiah 43:10,
44:8, 45:21.
Jesus is God: Isaiah 9:6, Matthew 1:23, John
1:1, 14, 20:28.
2. Only God is to be worshiped: Exodus
20:2-6, 34:14, Matthew 4:10.
Jesus is worshiped: Matthew 2:2, 11, 14:33,
15:25, Luke 24:52, John 5:23.
3. Only God is to be glorified Isaiah 12:8,
18:11, Jeremiah 13:15, Matthew 5:16.
Jesus is given glory: John 1:1-14, 17:5.
4. God is the creator: Genesis 1:1, Psalms
8:1-3, 102:24-25, Isaiah 44:21.
Jesus is the creator: John 1:3, 14.
5. God is the only Saviour: Isaiah 43:3, 11,
45:21, Luke 1:46-17, Titus 3:3-4 Jude 25.
Jesus is Saviour: Luke 2:11.
6. Only God can forgive sins: Isaiah 1:18,
43:25.
Jesus forgives sins: Matthew 9:2-6, Mark
2:5-7.
7. God shed His blood: Acts 20:28.
Jesus shed God’s blood: Revelation 1:5.
8. God was pierced: Zechariah 12:4, 10.
Jesus was pierced: John 19:37.
9. God was tempted by Israel: Exodus 17:2.
Jesus was tempted by Israel: I Corinthians
10:9.
10. God raised Christ from the dead:
Galatians 1:1.
The Holy Spirit raised Christ from the dead:
Romans 8:11.
Christ raised Himself from the dead: John
2:19, 10:17-18.
How dare a Mid-Acts
teacher who masquerades himself as a King
James man say that Christ “laid aside all
his attributes as God.”? (Does such a man
instruct his Sunday School teachers to tell
the little children in his church that they
must tell the kids that Jesus had none of
the attributes of God in the gospels?)
To sacrifice Christ’s
deity on the altar of His humanity would
always be a wrong thing; but to do so
because of a desire to be as the Athenians,
(“either to tell, or to hear some new
thing”) is both desperate and irresponsible.
Now, rather than going about (Eph. 3:9)”to
make all men see what is the fellowship of
the mystery”, those in leadership would have
us choosing up sides over the deity of
Christ.
Just as the Prince took
the position of Pauper, Christ lived as a
man in submission to God the Father and at
the exact same time (Col. 1:19) “... it
pleased the Father that in him should all
fullness dwell”; (Luke 10:22) “All things are
delivered to me of my Father: and no man
knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and
who the Father is, but the Son, and he to
whom the Son will reveal him.” Christ never
was devoid of His attributes of God, just as
Twain’s Prince never ceased to be the
Prince.
If Christ knew only what
God the Father told him, as some grace
teachers say, how did Christ (Matthew 13:35)
“utter things which have been kept secret
from the foundation of the world...?”
In 1881, Westcott and
Hort knew exactly what they were doing when
they attacked the deity of Christ by
teaching an “emptied out” Christ. Even if we
give today’s Mid-Acts dispensational
deity-attackers the benefit of the doubt,
their harmful effect is the same. If Christ
laid aside all the attributes of deity in
His earthly ministry, then what verses do we
have to teach Christ’s deity to Atheists or
Jehovah Witnesses?
On one side of the
hypostatic union, Christ is (Colossians 2:9)
“the fullness of the godhead bodily”, and on
the other side Christ is (Luke 7:8) “a man
set under authority.”
We see (Luke 7:34) “The Son of man is come
eating and drinking;” and 14 verses later
Christ does what only God can do (Luke 7:48)
“And he said unto her, Thy sins are
forgiven.”
As the Pauper, you might
say that Christ learned about living as
impoverished humanity (Luke 2:52) “And Jesus
increased in wisdom and stature, and in
favour with God and man” and (Hebrews 5:8)
“Though he were a Son, yet learned he
obedience by the things which he suffered;”
but Christ’s attributes as God should not be
questioned.
As the Prince, Christ was
reading scripture: (Luke 4:18-19) “The
Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he
hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the
poor; he hath sent me to heal the
brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the
captives, and recovering of sight to the
blind, to set at liberty them that are
bruised, To preach the acceptable year of
the Lord.”
Christ knew where to
close the book (Luke 4:20-21) “And he closed
the book, and he gave it again to the
minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all
them that were in the synagogue were
fastened on him. And he began to say unto
them, This day is this scripture fulfilled
in your ears.”
We all know the reason
Christ did not finish the reading in Isaiah.
The reason He closed the book on a comma in
Isaiah 61 is because Jesus already knew the
revelation of the mystery. Christ had known
the revelation of the mystery from before
the foundation of the world; and so He knew
that Luke 4 would not be the time for the
fulfillment of the rest of the verse in
Isaiah 61: “and the day of vengeance of our
God; to comfort all that mourn;”
Had Christ not known the
revelation of the mystery, there would have
been no reason for Him to interrupt His
reading of the prophetic program.
Mark Twain told a story
of a Prince and a Pauper who exchanged
places. The Bible presents Christ as both
Prince and Pauper, simultaneously, fully God
while fully man. Mark Twain never did accept
Jesus Christ as who He is, fully God and
fully man; and now there are grace teachers
who would lead us into the error of Westcott
and Hort’s liberal infidelity, teaching an
“emptied out” Jesus to the grace movement.
It is both incredible and
terribly wrong to teach that Jesus Christ
did not know he was the Son of God until the
Father told Him from heaven (Luke 3:22) when
a voice came from heaven, which said, “Thou
art my beloved Son; in thee I am well
pleased.” Christ already knew He was the Son
of God (Luke 2:49) “wist ye not that I must
be about my Father's business?”
Please allow me to be the
first to forgive those who have taught us
wrongly, yet let us all continue to require
repudiation of this harmful doctrine.
Please allow me to be the first to forgive
those who made this personal, yet let us all
continue to believe the deity of Christ
(Hebrews 13:8) “the same yesterday, and to
day, and for ever,” and let us clearly
reject an “emptied out” Jesus.
Please allow me to be the
first to tell you that this is a rift that
could easily be remedied if the teachers
involved would simply recant. Are they so
prideful that they require we treat them as
if they were infallible? Are they above
scrutiny?
We must return to the King James Bible,
God’s perfectly preserved word.
We must not allow our
leaders to base teachings upon Wescott-Hort
Greek error.
We must renounce the
teaching that Christ set aside all his deity
attributes.
(We must also reject the racist dogma taught
about Shem, Ham and Japeth.)
We must get back on track, that souls
would be saved and saints edified, that all
men would see what is the fellowship of the
mystery, and that Christ would be glorified
rather than denigrated.
Mark Twain wrote fiction;
we traffic in eternal truth.
The Prince and the Pauper
is just a story; the deity of Christ is the
central doctrine of our faith.
We must not value
'getting along' more than we value Christ’s
deity. The King James Mid-Acts
Dispensational Movement will not survive if
its leadership teaches either racist dogma
or a Christ without the attributes of God
and it is currently teaching both. Do you
care enough to call for a halt?
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